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WEBVTT 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.960 Here's a question that really shouldn't be that 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.400 hard in 2026. You just walked off of a transmitter 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:10.019 site. Your phone is full of photos, antenna connections, 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:15.800 transmission line routing, the inside of a combiner 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:17.859 cabinet that you've been trying to document for 00:00:17.859 --> 00:00:21.399 the last three months, maybe some wiring diagrams, 00:00:21.780 --> 00:00:24.500 how things are currently hooked up. Your laptop 00:00:24.500 --> 00:00:27.839 is sitting right there, right next to you. They're 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:30.839 on the same Wi -Fi and somehow the default answer 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:34.380 for most people is either email it to yourself 00:00:34.380 --> 00:00:38.560 or upload it to Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:42.140 and download it on the other side. You literally 00:00:42.140 --> 00:00:46.780 just bounce the photo of your transmission line 00:00:46.780 --> 00:00:51.020 to another state just to get it from your phone 00:00:51.020 --> 00:00:54.969 to your laptop. And look, if you're in the Apple 00:00:54.969 --> 00:00:58.810 world, AirDrop handles this and handles it pretty 00:00:58.810 --> 00:01:02.969 well. But most engineers I know are not fully 00:01:02.969 --> 00:01:07.430 in one ecosystem. They're not fully in the Apple 00:01:07.430 --> 00:01:10.930 world, Windows world, what have you. Maybe you've 00:01:10.930 --> 00:01:15.430 got a Windows machine at the shop, a Linux box 00:01:15.430 --> 00:01:18.209 in the rack, an Android phone in your pocket, 00:01:18.530 --> 00:01:21.109 and whoever you're working with that day just 00:01:21.109 --> 00:01:24.549 so happens to have an iPhone. The second anything 00:01:24.549 --> 00:01:27.590 non -Apple shows up, AirDrop just stops, doesn't 00:01:27.590 --> 00:01:31.969 try, doesn't negotiate, just done. This is the 00:01:31.969 --> 00:01:33.890 Tyler Woodward Project, and today I want to talk 00:01:33.890 --> 00:01:36.969 about a tool that solves this without asking 00:01:36.969 --> 00:01:40.489 you to pledge your allegiance to any one ecosystem. 00:01:41.109 --> 00:01:44.170 The app is called Localsend. It's free, it's 00:01:44.170 --> 00:01:47.129 open source, and it moves files directly between 00:01:47.129 --> 00:01:51.109 devices on your local network. Windows, macOS, 00:01:51.310 --> 00:01:55.590 Linux, Android, iOS, All of them, same app, same 00:01:55.590 --> 00:01:58.129 experience, no cloud provider in the middle, 00:01:58.590 --> 00:02:01.709 no accounts. No, please update your payment method 00:02:01.709 --> 00:02:05.849 before you can share this PDF. Just your devices 00:02:05.849 --> 00:02:09.210 talking to each other on whatever network you're 00:02:09.210 --> 00:02:11.490 on. I'm going to walk you through how it actually 00:02:11.490 --> 00:02:14.689 works, where it's actually useful for broadcast 00:02:14.689 --> 00:02:17.750 engineering, where it might fall a little short. 00:02:18.210 --> 00:02:20.789 Why I think this is one of those quiet tools 00:02:20.789 --> 00:02:25.020 that deserves Way more attention in this industry 00:02:25.020 --> 00:02:35.300 than it currently gets So let's start with the 00:02:35.300 --> 00:02:39.280 basics local send is a peer -to -peer file transfer 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.419 app You can install it on all your devices and 00:02:43.419 --> 00:02:45.479 as long as they're on the same local network 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.800 They show up in a list and you can send stuff 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.319 between them. That's the entire pitch But the 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.259 details, I mean, they do matter. Because the 00:02:55.259 --> 00:02:57.719 details are what makes this different from just 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:02.780 another file sharing app. First, it's genuinely 00:03:02.780 --> 00:03:08.439 cross -platform. Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, 00:03:08.780 --> 00:03:14.539 iOS, all supported as equals. Linux is not an 00:03:14.539 --> 00:03:18.159 afterthought here. You get Debian packages, app 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:21.560 images, arm builds for raspberry pi the whole 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.819 spread all of it that matters if you're running 00:03:24.819 --> 00:03:30.360 a mixed shop which in broadcast is everyone second 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:34.159 it's fully offline not offline with an asterisk 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.300 not offline but we ping a server for discovery 00:03:38.300 --> 00:03:43.120 there is no local send cloud your data goes from 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:47.240 the you know your device device a to device b 00:03:47.229 --> 00:03:50.349 over your local area network. And that's where 00:03:50.349 --> 00:03:54.650 the story ends. Third, it's open source. No ads, 00:03:54.789 --> 00:03:57.270 no tracking, no data collection. The code and 00:03:57.270 --> 00:04:01.469 the protocol are both on GitHub. If you want 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:04.569 to know exactly what it's doing, you can read 00:04:04.569 --> 00:04:09.069 it for yourself. Now, let me walk you through 00:04:09.069 --> 00:04:12.490 what actually happens when you tap send. Because 00:04:12.490 --> 00:04:14.629 once you understand it, you'll also understand 00:04:14.629 --> 00:04:19.600 why it breaks when it breaks. Both devices need 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.519 to be on the same local network, same Wi -Fi 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:27.720 SSID, same ethernet segment, or a setup where 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:32.480 those share a subnet. If your phone is on the 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.399 shop Wi -Fi and your laptop is on the guest SSID, 00:04:37.100 --> 00:04:39.839 they might feel close, but they're invisible 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:44.100 to each other. Different VLANs, different broadcast 00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:48.860 domains, local SIN, can't send across that. From 00:04:48.860 --> 00:04:53.939 there, each local send instance runs a small 00:04:53.939 --> 00:04:59.459 HTTPS server, typically on port 53317, and uses 00:04:59.459 --> 00:05:01.759 local network announcements so other devices 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.000 can find it. From your side, you just see a list 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.899 of friendly device names. Tyler PC, Tyler Pixel, 00:05:10.100 --> 00:05:14.839 Tyler ThinkPad. Behind the scenes, That's IP 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:17.839 addresses and service discovery doing the work 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.699 When you pick a target and send the file local 00:05:21.699 --> 00:05:25.360 send opens a direct HTTPS connection between 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.860 the two you know the two devices and Streams 00:05:28.860 --> 00:05:32.740 the data across it no relay. No middleman speed 00:05:32.740 --> 00:05:37.360 is basically whatever your land can handle on 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.540 decent Wi -Fi 6 or ethernet people regularly 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.019 You know, see 20 to 50 plus megabytes per second. 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:47.300 The bottleneck is your hardware and your disk, 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:52.360 not some cloud rate limit. All transfers are 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.720 wrapped in TLS with self -signed certificates 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.500 that each device generates locally. So even on 00:05:58.500 --> 00:06:02.120 a shared network, someone passively sniffing 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:06.420 traffic just sees encrypted blobs. And because 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:10.970 it's open source, this isn't trust us. You can 00:06:10.970 --> 00:06:14.269 look at the protocol spec. You can read the code, 00:06:14.449 --> 00:06:17.110 build it from source if you're the paranoid type. 00:06:17.930 --> 00:06:21.910 And that's not a criticism. Being paranoid is 00:06:21.910 --> 00:06:24.250 kind of, well, you're doing the correct thing 00:06:24.250 --> 00:06:29.509 in this industry nowadays. Okay. So let's talk 00:06:29.509 --> 00:06:33.310 about where this actually fits in the broadcast 00:06:33.310 --> 00:06:36.490 workflow. Because the use cases are different 00:06:36.490 --> 00:06:41.009 from, I just want to send a photo. to my wife. 00:06:41.370 --> 00:06:43.949 Site documentation. This is probably the biggest 00:06:43.949 --> 00:06:46.949 one for me. You go out to a site, you shoot some 00:06:46.949 --> 00:06:50.550 photos of a rack layout, the coax runs, the grounding 00:06:50.550 --> 00:06:53.250 system, the antenna connections. You've got maybe 00:06:53.250 --> 00:06:56.870 let's say 40, 50 photos on your phone by the 00:06:56.870 --> 00:07:00.370 time you leave. Getting those onto your laptop 00:07:00.370 --> 00:07:04.110 to actually label them, organize them, put them 00:07:04.110 --> 00:07:07.639 in a folder. maybe add them to whatever site 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.959 documentation setup you have, that friction, 00:07:10.980 --> 00:07:16.279 it's real. If you're an Android to Windows person, 00:07:16.339 --> 00:07:19.540 you're either plugging in a USB cable or bouncing 00:07:19.540 --> 00:07:22.879 everything through Google Photos or a cloud drive 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:25.660 and hoping the upload didn't compress them in 00:07:25.660 --> 00:07:31.740 the garbage. Local send, you open the app, you... 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.160 see your laptop in the list, select all the photos, 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:40.180 they land in your download folder at full resolution, 00:07:40.579 --> 00:07:43.720 zero compression, and about 10 seconds on a really 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.180 good hotspot. Let's talk about manuals and PDFs. 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:50.699 This one, I use it for, I use this constantly. 00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:58.279 You've got a PDF of an Orban 8500 manual on your 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.860 laptop. You're standing at the rack. and you 00:08:00.860 --> 00:08:05.980 want to reference the AGC parameter table, whatever, 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:08.060 without going back to your laptop constantly. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.079 Or you've got a spec sheet. Your colleague just 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.759 emailed you on your phone and you need it on 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:17.620 the machine that's actually connected to the 00:08:17.620 --> 00:08:21.220 equipment. LocalSend makes that a five second 00:08:21.220 --> 00:08:23.579 problem instead of let me email this to myself 00:08:23.579 --> 00:08:26.589 and hope the attachment. you know, doesn't get 00:08:26.589 --> 00:08:30.149 eaten by the virus scanner or whatever on your 00:08:30.149 --> 00:08:33.850 email hosting service. Firmware and config files. 00:08:34.730 --> 00:08:37.830 This is where cross -platform matters most. Picture 00:08:37.830 --> 00:08:40.549 this. You've got a config backup from a Telo 00:08:40.549 --> 00:08:43.389 system on your Windows machine. You need to move 00:08:43.389 --> 00:08:46.809 it to a MacBook because that's what the other 00:08:46.809 --> 00:08:50.690 engineer on the project is using. Or you've got 00:08:50.690 --> 00:08:56.470 a firmware update on your Linux workstation and 00:08:56.470 --> 00:09:00.529 you need to get it onto USB Drive that's formatted 00:09:00.529 --> 00:09:05.070 on a Windows laptop. LocalSend handles all those 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:07.450 transfers cleanly without you having to care 00:09:07.450 --> 00:09:11.970 what OS either device is using. I got a couple 00:09:11.970 --> 00:09:15.889 more, stick with me here. iOS to Windows. We 00:09:15.889 --> 00:09:19.590 know how painful that can be. If you have an 00:09:19.590 --> 00:09:23.220 iPhone and a Windows machine, There is genuinely 00:09:23.220 --> 00:09:26.559 no good native way to move files between them. 00:09:27.139 --> 00:09:31.179 You can use iCloud. Sure, but that requires everyone 00:09:31.179 --> 00:09:35.419 to have an Apple ID and a cloud subscription. 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.779 You can plug in a USB cable, but then you're 00:09:38.779 --> 00:09:41.820 dealing with iTunes or the Windows Photos app, 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:47.240 which is its own nightmare. LocalSend makes iOS 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.840 and Windows talk to each other. like they were 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:55.379 designed to do that from the start. Which, well, 00:09:55.460 --> 00:09:59.340 we clearly know they weren't. And again, couple 00:09:59.340 --> 00:10:01.980 more. Android to Mac, same problem, different 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:04.940 direction. Apple doesn't support Android file 00:10:04.940 --> 00:10:10.240 transfer natively on any meaningful way. LocalSend, 00:10:10.539 --> 00:10:13.399 again, is the answer. Install it on the Pixel, 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.940 install it on the MacBook, same network, done. 00:10:18.259 --> 00:10:24.340 Linux. to anything This one. Oh my god. I feel 00:10:24.340 --> 00:10:30.019 this one personally If you run Linux, you know 00:10:30.019 --> 00:10:33.620 the routine most consumer filed tools either 00:10:33.620 --> 00:10:37.740 don't support Linux at all or They throw you 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:40.700 a half -baked web UI and pretend that counts 00:10:40.700 --> 00:10:45.840 in some meaningful way KDE connects is great 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.070 if you're in the KDE desktop environment world, 00:10:50.830 --> 00:10:53.850 but it gets rough on non -KDE setups and basically 00:10:53.850 --> 00:10:57.830 doesn't exist on Apple platforms. Except maybe 00:10:57.830 --> 00:11:01.690 the iPhone, I think. LocalSend treats Linux like 00:11:01.690 --> 00:11:05.049 a first -class citizen. There are Debian packages, 00:11:05.549 --> 00:11:09.110 app images, arm builds, same app, same features, 00:11:09.470 --> 00:11:13.830 same flow as every other platform. For a community 00:11:13.830 --> 00:11:17.820 that's used to being an afterthought, That actually 00:11:17.820 --> 00:11:22.799 means a lot to us. You have no idea. Let me also 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:24.860 talk about what this looks like in the field. 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.980 You're at a remote site. You got no internet 00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:32.299 connection or maybe some garbage DSL connection 00:11:32.299 --> 00:11:35.360 out in the boonies. Maybe you're on hotel wifi, 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.340 a cellular hotspot, whatever. You throw up a 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:41.960 travel router. You tether your phone. Now you've 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.539 got a tiny little local network. Locosyn works 00:11:44.539 --> 00:11:49.000 perfectly on that. You're not depending on upload 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.980 bandwidth. You're not waiting for a cloud sync. 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.919 It's just your devices, your little network bubble 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.580 and direct transfers at whatever land speed it 00:11:58.580 --> 00:12:03.779 can support. That's where the no internet required 00:12:03.779 --> 00:12:05.980 thing stops being a bullet point and becomes 00:12:05.980 --> 00:12:12.860 an actual useful thing. You're at a transmitter 00:12:12.860 --> 00:12:15.250 site, let's say at 11 o 'clock at night. Trying 00:12:15.250 --> 00:12:17.409 to document what you just fixed before you drive 00:12:17.409 --> 00:12:21.389 home. The last thing you want to do is have to 00:12:21.389 --> 00:12:24.389 wait for your cloud drive to sync through a weak 00:12:24.389 --> 00:12:27.610 cell signal. I've done that way too many times. 00:12:29.009 --> 00:12:32.590 Now, let's be honest about where this goes sideways, 00:12:32.590 --> 00:12:34.309 because yeah, I'm not just going to give you 00:12:34.309 --> 00:12:35.750 the benefits. I'm also going to give you the 00:12:35.750 --> 00:12:38.730 pitfalls as well. The number one complaint you'll 00:12:38.730 --> 00:12:42.879 see is my devices don't see each other. And almost 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.039 every time, the answer is not that local send 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.419 is broken, it's that your network is doing exactly 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:52.379 what someone configured it to do. Different SSIDs, 00:12:52.620 --> 00:12:55.820 maybe different VLANs, your phone is on the guest 00:12:55.820 --> 00:12:59.379 Wi -Fi, laptop is on the main Wi -Fi. They can't 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:02.159 find each other. Pretty straightforward, right? 00:13:02.419 --> 00:13:04.519 Move them to the same Wi -Fi network, the same 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:09.120 SSID or the same VLAN. AP isolation, some routers. 00:13:09.340 --> 00:13:12.320 especially in default configurations, prevent 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.720 devices on the same SSID from talking to each 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.659 other directly. That kills local send discovery 00:13:18.659 --> 00:13:21.779 instantly. Usually you can fix that by turning 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:29.240 off client isolation. VPN interference. If you're 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.340 running a VPN tunnel that's routing all your 00:13:32.340 --> 00:13:34.779 traffic through a tunnel, your device might not 00:13:34.779 --> 00:13:38.500 treat the local network as actual local anymore. 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.820 LocalSend discovery, you know, the packets are 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:44.139 getting swallowed by that tunnel. So that's not 00:13:44.139 --> 00:13:47.200 going to work. Check that firewall on Windows, 00:13:47.419 --> 00:13:53.240 especially if you denied the allow this app on 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.440 private networks prompt, you've blocked it on 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.700 Linux. If your inbound ports are locked down 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:03.700 with IP tables or UFW, same deal. LocalSend needs 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:09.610 to listen on port 53317. What else is there? 00:14:10.769 --> 00:14:13.929 Mobile OS background restrictions. Both Android 00:14:13.929 --> 00:14:17.649 and iOS aggressively will kill apps in the background 00:14:17.649 --> 00:14:20.950 to save battery. If local send isn't in the foreground, 00:14:21.149 --> 00:14:24.110 it might not be discoverable. So check that. 00:14:24.129 --> 00:14:26.269 Make sure you actually have it open right there 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:29.769 on your screen. My mental model kind of goes 00:14:29.769 --> 00:14:32.889 to this. First, you know, check the SSID, check 00:14:32.889 --> 00:14:37.240 the VLAN, check VPN, check firewall. In really 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:45.559 that order, then you can blame the app. Here's 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.179 the quick setup checklist if you want to hit 00:14:48.179 --> 00:14:53.200 the ground running. Install from the official 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.440 sources, the app store on iPhone, Google Play 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:59.419 on Android, the project's own download page or 00:14:59.419 --> 00:15:02.700 your distro's package manager. Don't grab random 00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:07.789 clones from sketchy mirror sites. Name your device 00:15:07.789 --> 00:15:11.389 as something useful like Tyler -PC, Tyler -Pixel, 00:15:11.509 --> 00:15:16.210 Tyler -ThinkPad. Future you is really going to 00:15:16.210 --> 00:15:18.909 appreciate it when you're in a hurry and there 00:15:18.909 --> 00:15:21.269 are four unnamed devices in the list and you're 00:15:21.269 --> 00:15:23.629 trying to figure out which one's which. Verify 00:15:23.629 --> 00:15:25.570 your network. Make sure all devices are on the 00:15:25.570 --> 00:15:29.679 same SSID or subnet. Turn off IP isolation, client 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.379 isolation if your router has that sort of stuff 00:15:32.379 --> 00:15:34.299 enabled on the network you're trying to use. 00:15:34.779 --> 00:15:37.340 If you're on a VPN, either disconnect it or set 00:15:37.340 --> 00:15:42.000 up a split tunnel for local traffic. Allow it 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.080 through your firewall on the device. On Windows, 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.039 say yes to the private network prompt. On Linux, 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.679 make sure port 53317, TCP, and UDP are open. 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.580 And on macOS, accept the incoming connections 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:58.740 dialog. Set a same download folder that you can 00:15:58.740 --> 00:16:02.000 remember. On desktop, point it somewhere you'll 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.100 actually be able to get to or look or remember. 00:16:04.539 --> 00:16:07.659 On mobile, know where files land so they don't 00:16:07.659 --> 00:16:09.659 feel like they just disappeared into a black 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:13.340 hole somewhere. And then, tell people you work 00:16:13.340 --> 00:16:17.279 with that this exists. It's a hundred times more 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.440 useful when the whole team is using it. After 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.169 all that, here's where I land on this. You don't 00:16:24.169 --> 00:16:27.809 need to be locked into Apple's ecosystem or or 00:16:27.809 --> 00:16:31.870 even Google's or anyone to get fast and reliable 00:16:31.870 --> 00:16:35.789 nearby file sharing. LocalSyn proves that the 00:16:35.789 --> 00:16:39.409 basic networking your Wi -Fi already does is 00:16:39.409 --> 00:16:43.409 more than capable of handling this. And it does 00:16:43.409 --> 00:16:46.929 it all with encryption without the cloud and 00:16:46.929 --> 00:16:52.190 without asking for a dime. AirDrop is fine if 00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:55.370 it works for you. keep using it i got no problem 00:16:55.370 --> 00:16:57.210 with that i'm just trying to give you some alternatives 00:16:57.210 --> 00:17:00.429 but if you're an engineer who runs a mixed shop 00:17:00.429 --> 00:17:03.990 and honestly that's probably most of us and you're 00:17:03.990 --> 00:17:06.549 tired of the friction of moving files between 00:17:06.549 --> 00:17:14.210 oses local send is a really good answer to that 00:17:14.210 --> 00:17:17.789 frustration pick pick the two devices that give 00:17:17.789 --> 00:17:20.529 you the most trouble install local send on both 00:17:20.529 --> 00:17:23.140 give it a few minutes I think you'll be surprised 00:17:23.140 --> 00:17:25.500 at how fast this becomes the way you do it going 00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:29.500 forward. That's the whole show. 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