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WEBVTT 00:00:33.549 --> 00:00:36.429 They shrink the product, they hike the price, 00:00:37.070 --> 00:00:39.689 banked record profits and told you it was about 00:00:39.689 --> 00:00:43.270 inflation. Now this episode is about calling 00:00:43.270 --> 00:00:46.670 it what it actually is. Now, usually on this 00:00:46.670 --> 00:00:49.070 show, I like to have a good time. I like getting 00:00:49.070 --> 00:00:51.609 nostalgic, digging up some good old day kind 00:00:51.609 --> 00:00:54.710 of things. And when I say good old days, I'm 00:00:54.710 --> 00:00:57.409 talking about like 2005, you know, whatever, 00:00:57.590 --> 00:01:01.729 some hazy stretch of use to be better. That's 00:01:01.729 --> 00:01:05.609 usually where I like to go. Not today today. 00:01:05.629 --> 00:01:11.030 I'm angry and I want to tell you why Quick question 00:01:11.030 --> 00:01:16.930 for you though When did you last stand in the 00:01:16.930 --> 00:01:19.150 cereal aisle at the grocery store and actually 00:01:19.150 --> 00:01:26.769 feel that box not read it feel it Because I want 00:01:26.769 --> 00:01:29.049 you to think about how light it felt in your 00:01:29.049 --> 00:01:32.310 hand and how you probably told yourself, huh? 00:01:33.689 --> 00:01:37.489 Prices are just crazy right now. It moved on 00:01:37.489 --> 00:01:42.370 with your day. I'm not mocking you. I've been 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:44.010 doing the same thing for like two years straight 00:01:44.010 --> 00:01:48.250 and I'm bout over it. My name is Tyler. Thanks 00:01:48.250 --> 00:01:52.170 for being here today. I'm talking about shrinkflation 00:01:52.170 --> 00:01:57.549 or as the economic people like to coin this new 00:01:57.549 --> 00:02:00.870 term greedflation. Two ugly words economics has 00:02:00.870 --> 00:02:04.659 given us. Thank you for that I guess. And, you 00:02:04.659 --> 00:02:09.379 know, about why calling any of this just inflation 00:02:09.379 --> 00:02:12.319 lets a whole lot of rich people off the hook. 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:14.599 And I don't like letting the rich bastards off 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.099 the hook. So, before I get any further, because 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:19.080 I'm worked up on this one, opinions are mine, 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:21.840 nobody else's. All of this is from my point of 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:26.120 view. Now, here's my confession before we get 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:31.659 any further. I am, by nature, I'm a guy who doesn't 00:02:31.659 --> 00:02:35.770 like confrontation. especially You know confrontation 00:02:35.770 --> 00:02:38.629 about money. I'll notice that bag feels lighter 00:02:38.629 --> 00:02:43.689 and I'm still gonna buy the bag every time I've 00:02:43.689 --> 00:02:47.509 bought the smaller Doritos bag at the same price 00:02:47.509 --> 00:02:50.889 a dozen times without You know saying award to 00:02:50.889 --> 00:02:53.550 anybody not my wife not my friends not the rest 00:02:53.550 --> 00:02:59.490 of my family And you know why? Because it it 00:02:59.490 --> 00:03:05.300 felt you know petty To complain about a bag of 00:03:05.300 --> 00:03:10.180 chips I'm here to tell you it's not petty because 00:03:10.180 --> 00:03:14.659 that's the whole con They're betting on you feeling 00:03:14.659 --> 00:03:19.680 like it is petty So, you know, let's lay out 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:25.340 what actually happened Because this part isn't 00:03:25.340 --> 00:03:29.479 opinion. This is documented. This is happening 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:36.669 Doritos You know Doritos? They went from nine 00:03:36.669 --> 00:03:39.129 and three quarter ounces to nine and a quarter 00:03:39.129 --> 00:03:45.389 ounce. Same price. That's about like five fewer 00:03:45.389 --> 00:03:49.069 chips a bag. And when a reporter asked PepsiCo 00:03:49.069 --> 00:03:53.310 about it, their spokesperson said, quote, we 00:03:53.310 --> 00:03:56.930 took a little bit out of the bag so we could 00:03:56.930 --> 00:03:59.750 give you the same price and you keep enjoying 00:03:59.750 --> 00:04:04.039 your chips. Like it's some kind of gift like 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:07.560 shrinking the bag was a few was some kind of 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:13.139 favor. Oh Thanks Doritos Give me my five chips 00:04:13.139 --> 00:04:18.839 back Now Gatorade they did the same thing 32 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:23.120 ounces down to 28 and they didn't hide it did 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.480 these guys didn't even try to hide it They redesigned 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.160 the damn bottle to look some sort of I don't 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:31.500 know Aerodynamics, so you wouldn't clock that 00:04:31.500 --> 00:04:33.639 you're paying the same amount of money for 4 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:39.420 fewer ounces. General Mills. You know, the cereal 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:43.699 company. The family size box. 19 .3 ounces down 00:04:43.699 --> 00:04:50.660 to 18 .1. No price change. When NPR asked about 00:04:50.660 --> 00:04:54.100 it, they said it was about reducing emissions. 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:58.579 When they talked to their own investors, they 00:04:58.579 --> 00:05:01.300 called it And I'm not making this phrase up. 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:03.300 I don't know what kind of buzzword soup this 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:06.379 crap came from but it's they called it price 00:05:06.379 --> 00:05:11.399 pack architecture look it up different rooms 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:16.519 different words the same thing shrink flation 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:21.519 greed flation and shitification of physical products 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.949 whatever you want to call it They pitch one thing 00:05:24.949 --> 00:05:28.009 differently to the investors versus what they 00:05:28.009 --> 00:05:31.990 tell the news Because they don't want you to 00:05:31.990 --> 00:05:37.050 know And here's the one that actually this is 00:05:37.050 --> 00:05:39.550 what got me going this is why I'm so worked up 00:05:39.550 --> 00:05:41.810 today because I had to record this episode when 00:05:41.810 --> 00:05:44.189 I read this one I was like all right. We're doing 00:05:44.189 --> 00:05:48.389 an episode on this Kimberly Clark If you don't 00:05:48.389 --> 00:05:50.310 know that name they basically make a lot of toilet 00:05:50.310 --> 00:05:52.430 paper and other Products out there. I'm not gonna 00:05:52.430 --> 00:05:57.790 go through the list, but their CEO Was talking 00:05:57.790 --> 00:06:01.589 about raising prices on toilet paper said out 00:06:01.589 --> 00:06:06.050 loud on the record quote if the price goes up 00:06:06.050 --> 00:06:09.670 on bad tissue Generally that doesn't mean you're 00:06:09.670 --> 00:06:15.670 going to use the bathroom less right That's the 00:06:15.670 --> 00:06:20.250 thinking you need this you're not gonna go anywhere 00:06:20.910 --> 00:06:26.490 They're gonna squeeze away Now the other part 00:06:26.490 --> 00:06:28.290 they don't want strung together with those shrinking 00:06:28.290 --> 00:06:32.769 bags While all of this was happening corporate 00:06:32.769 --> 00:06:37.490 profits. They weren't just fine They were record 00:06:37.490 --> 00:06:42.750 -breaking The groundwork collaborative went through 00:06:42.750 --> 00:06:46.870 the actual federal data and found corporate profits 00:06:46.870 --> 00:06:52.860 drove 53 percent of inflation in the back half 00:06:52.860 --> 00:07:02.879 of 2023 53 percent now compared that to the 40 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:07.540 years before the pandemic where profits historically 00:07:07.540 --> 00:07:11.879 explained about 11 percent of inflation that's 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:16.180 not a small shift that's a different game entirely 00:07:18.540 --> 00:07:20.800 I don't even care to imagine where it's gone 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:26.420 since 2023 up to now 2026. I'm sure it hasn't 00:07:26.420 --> 00:07:33.060 gotten any better. Think about it though. Fourth 00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:40.600 quarter of 2023, corporate profits hit $2 .8 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:50.439 trillion with a T. $2 .8 trillion. A record. 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:56.160 The FTC did their own investigation into grocery 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:00.879 pricing and found that retailer profit margins 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:08.439 hit 7 % over cost in 2023, above even the previous 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:14.569 peak. Their own chair said dominant firms Use 00:08:14.569 --> 00:08:18.709 this moment to come out ahead at the expense 00:08:18.709 --> 00:08:26.269 of the people they serve You and me That's the 00:08:26.269 --> 00:08:29.970 FTC saying that not some guy on a podcast. That's 00:08:29.970 --> 00:08:35.070 the FTC's own wording Meanwhile think about your 00:08:35.070 --> 00:08:42.610 paycheck Real wages were down 25 straight months 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:49.340 Now, as you can imagine, CEO pay in that same 00:08:49.340 --> 00:08:55.360 stretch hit 290 times what a typical worker makes. 00:08:56.539 --> 00:09:06.480 In 1965, that ratio was 21 to 1. 21 to 1 used 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:14.549 to be considered generous. So no. This was not 00:09:14.549 --> 00:09:17.250 inflation happening to companies the same as 00:09:17.250 --> 00:09:21.970 it was happening to you this was some companies 00:09:21.970 --> 00:09:28.370 using inflation as a cover as an excuse and a 00:09:28.370 --> 00:09:30.870 Lot of that extra money went straight to the 00:09:30.870 --> 00:09:38.009 top not sideways to cover those higher cost Now 00:09:38.009 --> 00:09:40.769 if that first ten minutes of this didn't you 00:09:40.769 --> 00:09:45.070 make didn't bug you This this will probably get 00:09:45.070 --> 00:09:49.149 your blood boiling a little bit And I want to 00:09:49.149 --> 00:09:53.570 say this slow because I want it to be heard I 00:09:53.570 --> 00:09:59.049 want it to land There were bills Actual bills 00:09:59.049 --> 00:10:04.049 in Congress One of them called the shrink flation 00:10:04.049 --> 00:10:07.690 prevention act would have made the FTC treat 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:12.980 this shrink and hide game as a deceptive practice. 00:10:14.779 --> 00:10:17.840 The Price -Galging Prevention Act, the other 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:22.279 one, would have gone after exactly what the FTC's 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.980 own report described. Guess what happened? No, 00:10:27.059 --> 00:10:33.279 go ahead, guess. Both of them died. They weren't 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.860 voted down, died, set in a committee, never even 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:41.639 got a hearing, never got a vote, while The food 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.440 and beverage industry spent close to 30 million 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:47.700 dollars in a single year Lobbying the same people 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:52.559 who were supposed to be writing the rules Now 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.980 I want to be fair here because I really do try 00:10:56.980 --> 00:11:02.240 to be Not every Economist agrees on how much 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:06.820 of this is pure greed versus real Cost catching 00:11:06.820 --> 00:11:10.940 up late in the game or whatever the San Francisco 00:11:10.940 --> 00:11:14.720 Fed pushed back on the greed -flation framing. 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.899 Some of this is genuinely complicated, but even 00:11:19.899 --> 00:11:23.600 the researchers who are skeptical don't dispute 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:28.399 the markup spikes in the, you know, certain specific 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:34.700 sectors in that prices stayed high long after 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:37.240 the cost that supposedly caused them came back 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:41.049 down. Now nobody's disputing that part nobody 00:11:41.049 --> 00:11:46.789 So a few things I keep coming back to where I 00:11:46.789 --> 00:11:52.450 land one Let's be real Stop calling it inflation 00:11:52.450 --> 00:11:57.850 in your head because The word does a lot of work 00:11:57.850 --> 00:12:02.509 letting everybody off the hook Inflation is what 00:12:02.509 --> 00:12:07.090 happens to everybody equally Now what happened 00:12:07.090 --> 00:12:11.279 here? is some companies raised prices faster 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.700 than cost, ranked the product on top of it, and 00:12:13.700 --> 00:12:19.299 kept the difference. They gained you. They're 00:12:19.299 --> 00:12:24.220 pocketing that extra money. We need to call it 00:12:24.220 --> 00:12:30.240 what it is. When you talk about it, words matter 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:35.600 here. More than people think. All right, another 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:40.740 one. The people who could have done something 00:12:40.740 --> 00:12:46.759 about it mostly didn't Not because they lacked 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:54.620 the spine or the Cajones or the tools The FTC 00:12:54.620 --> 00:13:00.299 wrote the report Congress had the bills It just 00:13:00.299 --> 00:13:05.860 didn't happen And there's a lot of lobbying money 00:13:06.269 --> 00:13:10.169 and more than a few members of Congress trading 00:13:10.169 --> 00:13:13.490 stock in these same industries sitting right 00:13:13.490 --> 00:13:17.909 there in the middle of that story. Something 00:13:17.909 --> 00:13:23.009 like 86 % of Americans across party lines. We 00:13:23.009 --> 00:13:25.309 don't agree on much anymore, but we agreed on 00:13:25.309 --> 00:13:31.909 this. Think Congress shouldn't be allowed to 00:13:31.909 --> 00:13:34.470 trade stock in industries that they regulate. 00:13:35.709 --> 00:13:42.750 86 % Now that's about as close to some sort of 00:13:42.750 --> 00:13:45.250 universal agreement as this country gets on anything 00:13:45.250 --> 00:13:50.830 and it still hasn't happened Last one I promise 00:13:50.830 --> 00:13:56.009 last one and this is one that actually That's 00:13:56.009 --> 00:14:03.289 actually about you and me Not the economy You're 00:14:03.289 --> 00:14:08.610 allowed to be loud about this. You're allowed 00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:11.610 to post the receipt. You're allowed to email 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:15.169 whoever represents you and say, I know what you 00:14:15.169 --> 00:14:21.190 did and what you didn't do here. You're allowed 00:14:21.190 --> 00:14:24.570 to stop feeling embarrassed about noticing the 00:14:24.570 --> 00:14:31.509 bag is lighter. That instinct, I mean they're 00:14:31.509 --> 00:14:34.740 counting on. The one where you think it's beneath 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:38.980 you to complain about a bag of chips That instinct 00:14:38.980 --> 00:14:41.940 that's what they're counting on that you won't 00:14:41.940 --> 00:14:44.159 complain that you won't raise a stink about this 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:45.899 that you won't call your representatives that 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:53.879 you won't go online and post the receipts That's 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:57.659 what they're selling you along with that smaller 00:14:57.659 --> 00:15:04.620 bag Stop buying that part I I don't got a neat 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:10.320 little bow to put on this one I'm I'm not gonna 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.960 give you three easy tips to somehow beat corporate 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:20.360 greed Mainly because well there aren't three 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:27.539 easy tips But I am telling you You know what 00:15:27.539 --> 00:15:33.509 I'm telling you is uh well basically Your anger 00:15:33.509 --> 00:15:37.690 It's correct what you're feeling that's correct. 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:42.289 You're not being dramatic about it You're not 00:15:42.289 --> 00:15:47.370 being petty about it. I Think a lot more people 00:15:47.370 --> 00:15:55.049 should speak up You did the math you know what's 00:15:55.049 --> 00:16:00.409 going on Even if it just even if you're trying 00:16:00.409 --> 00:16:06.860 to Tell yourself, you know, maybe I'm imagining 00:16:06.860 --> 00:16:11.299 this That instinct that gut feeling that something 00:16:11.299 --> 00:16:19.460 is wrong Listen to it And that's the show If 00:16:19.460 --> 00:16:21.500 you want to keep up with it subscribe wherever 00:16:21.500 --> 00:16:24.320 you're listening if that's YouTube Apple podcast 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:27.779 Spotify You can find everything else that Tyler 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:31.159 Woodward dot me And if you want to buy me a cup 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:41.960 of coffee Don't really know how to end it. I 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:43.899 don't have a clean little sign off and today 00:16:43.899 --> 00:16:46.860 I'm I just kind of want to leave it messy because 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:50.620 Well, the thing that I'm pissed off about is 00:16:50.620 --> 00:16:55.139 I guess a little messy too, so That seems fitting, 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:59.639 right? So I'll catch you guys next week