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WEBVTT 00:00:15.740 --> 00:00:21.820 Have you ever looked at a word on a screen and felt, you know, smarter for a couple of 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:27.240 seconds, not really learned anything just felt smarter, you know what I mean? 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:34.860 That's kind of what the word lossless does to people. It's a little badge next to a song title on 00:00:34.860 --> 00:00:42.980 your music app and suddenly you feel like you're hearing the record the way it was actually meant to 00:00:42.980 --> 00:00:52.500 be heard. The way it was made. The real thing. Finally, after years of getting that cheap MP3 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:59.800 version. Now stick with me for a minute because I'm not making fun of you. I did the same thing. 00:01:01.700 --> 00:01:04.440 I'm Tyler. Thanks for being here today. 00:01:07.800 --> 00:01:11.560 In today's episode is about that little badge. 00:01:12.220 --> 00:01:18.880 Lossless audio, high res audio, all of it finally showing up in every streaming app 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:29.140 minus YouTube music this year. And the question that nobody seems to be asking, 00:01:29.500 --> 00:01:41.500 which is whether any of us can actually hear that lossless high res version. Can you also, 00:01:41.820 --> 00:01:46.380 first up, standard disclaimer every episode, you know the drill. This is my read on it. 00:01:48.220 --> 00:01:52.000 My opinion. Nobody signs off on this show, but me. 00:01:55.080 --> 00:02:03.200 Here's my confession before we get fully into this, before we dive headfirst into this. 00:02:04.420 --> 00:02:08.580 For about a year, I saw that lossless badge pop up on my phone. 00:02:09.060 --> 00:02:15.160 You know, you see it on Apple Music, you know, especially title if you've got that. 00:02:15.720 --> 00:02:19.080 And I'll be honest, I felt a little smug about it. I'm like, yeah, 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:26.820 I get the real good version now and never once, you know, did I check whether my headphones 00:02:27.720 --> 00:02:36.200 could actually do anything with that higher quality file signal, whatever. I never checked. 00:02:37.740 --> 00:02:42.760 I don't know. Maybe I didn't want to know. You know, some days I probably still don't, 00:02:42.760 --> 00:02:48.560 but it turns out not looking was doing a lot of work for me. And that's what 00:02:49.500 --> 00:02:55.380 Apple and Spotify and all these other companies are sort of betting on. 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:00.720 So we've got to define the terms first because there's a lot of jargon 00:03:02.020 --> 00:03:10.040 that I'm going to spew out on this episode. This whole space runs on words that sound like 00:03:10.040 --> 00:03:13.340 they mean the same thing, but they don't stick with me for a minute. 00:03:14.380 --> 00:03:22.480 Lossless has one very boring, one, you know, specific meaning. When you unpack the file, 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:29.480 you get back an exact copy of the original recording. Not close, not, yeah, you probably 00:03:29.480 --> 00:03:39.100 can't tell. It's identical. Flack, ALAC, Wave, that whole family. They're not even competing 00:03:39.100 --> 00:03:49.380 with each other on sound because, well, they can't. They all decode to the exact same thing that 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:57.060 20 year old forum argument, you know, the argument I'm talking about, whether Flack 00:03:57.060 --> 00:04:05.100 sounds better than ALAC is two people arguing about which photocopy is more accurate when 00:04:05.100 --> 00:04:13.940 both copies are pixel for pixel, the same damn thing one for one. So don't get caught up in those 00:04:13.940 --> 00:04:21.900 arguments on those audio file forms is what I'm saying. Now, lossy. So there's lossless. 00:04:22.180 --> 00:04:29.900 We just talked about that. Now there's lossy. Lossy is the opposite. Lossy is that MP3, that AAC. 00:04:31.400 --> 00:04:37.920 Basically everything you grew up on. That's the kind of music that you were, you were 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:42.700 downloading on like Kazan, Napster, and WinMX back in the day, MP3. 00:04:49.400 --> 00:04:53.940 AAC came a little later, but you know what I'm talking about, that watery, 00:04:54.560 --> 00:05:02.500 weird kind of compression sound. That's a lossy file. An algorithm basically looks at the song, 00:05:02.740 --> 00:05:08.520 guesses what you probably won't miss and throws the rest of it out the door forever. 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:15.420 Because once it's gone, it's gone. That's how you get the smaller file. It's also a 00:05:16.380 --> 00:05:23.920 it's a permanent decision made on your behalf about what you're allowed to hear. 00:05:25.280 --> 00:05:33.840 And one gacha here, one little kind of wrench into the plan 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:44.100 is another term. It's separate from both of those that we just talked about, 00:05:44.100 --> 00:05:53.220 lossless and lossy. It's called high res, which just means higher resolution than CD. 00:05:55.300 --> 00:06:00.660 Different, different thing altogether. A file can be lossless and not high res. 00:06:01.200 --> 00:06:08.060 A file can call itself high res and not be lossless at all. Hey, just hang on to that last one. 00:06:08.300 --> 00:06:10.180 We'll, we'll, we'll get back to it. I promise. 00:06:12.860 --> 00:06:21.720 Now, by this year, basically everyone has lossless audio now. Apple had it. 00:06:23.180 --> 00:06:27.820 Well, I shouldn't say had it. They have it. I think was Apple one of the first that 00:06:27.820 --> 00:06:30.820 kind of pulled the lever on that? I don't remember, but Apple has it. 00:06:31.400 --> 00:06:35.240 I've got Apple music. It's great. I love it. Sounds awesome. 00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:42.680 Amazon folded it into their regular pricing a few years back. 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.680 Title made it the default for everyone right out the gate. 00:06:47.020 --> 00:06:50.840 And Spotify, after teasing the thing for like four or five years, 00:06:51.080 --> 00:06:55.680 finally shipped it last fall free. No upcharge. Good news, right? 00:06:56.640 --> 00:06:58.820 Case closed. Everybody's ears can rejoice. 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:07.040 Except almost none of you are actually hearing any of it. 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:13.040 I know. Sorry to burst the bubble. And you want to know the reason why? 00:07:14.260 --> 00:07:15.660 The reason is Bluetooth. 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:26.720 Here's the part that doesn't make it into the buzzwords, the ad copy, the, 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:31.500 the promotions. And it doesn't even mention it in the app. 00:07:32.880 --> 00:07:42.900 A true lossless stream needs way more room to breathe than a standard Bluetooth connection 00:07:42.900 --> 00:07:46.980 can even give it. It's physics. And I'll tell you why. 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:55.840 It doesn't fit through the pipe. So something has to give in what gives every single time 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:58.520 is the audio quality. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:08.680 Every mainstream Bluetooth codex squeezes that signal down and throws pieces of it away 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.880 before it ever reaches your, your earhole. 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:23.340 It doesn't matter which one AirPods, you know, that one specifically 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:29.920 runs on a codec that is not lossless by design. Doesn't matter what tier you're paying for. 00:08:30.340 --> 00:08:36.480 Doesn't matter what that badge on your iPhone is saying. Apple's own audio team basically said 00:08:37.180 --> 00:08:41.420 the, the, you know, the quiet part out loud to a reviewer. 00:08:42.140 --> 00:08:47.740 Their line was that the Bluetooth codec is about reliability, 00:08:48.880 --> 00:08:52.320 not about squeezing out the last bit of quality. 00:08:53.900 --> 00:08:57.100 Fine. That's a defensible engineering answer. 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:08.940 Reliability over quality. But it also means functionally no AirPods on any current model 00:09:09.660 --> 00:09:16.840 are ever handing you that lossless audio stream over a normal connection. 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:24.900 That badge in the app describes a file sitting on a server somewhere, probably in California. 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.700 It stops being true the second it leaves your phone. 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:37.360 However, there's one exception. And it's a small exception. 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:44.000 A quill com codec exists that genuinely does 00:09:44.640 --> 00:09:52.440 deliver an exact copy over Bluetooth, but it only does CD quality, not high res. 00:09:52.920 --> 00:09:58.060 And it needs a phone and a set of headphones both built specifically for it. 00:09:58.540 --> 00:10:05.440 So if you're on an iPhone, you don't get that option because Apple doesn't support it. 00:10:06.760 --> 00:10:12.220 Now, when I said, you know, you can only fit so much over the pipe, it's physics. 00:10:13.560 --> 00:10:22.680 A CD quality file runs at a bit rate of 1400 kilobytes a second, a little bit over that. 00:10:22.920 --> 00:10:26.780 I'm just rounding it down. Bluetooth can't shove that through there. 00:10:28.060 --> 00:10:32.780 You know, Bluetooth can get somewhere 300. Certain codecs can get 900, 00:10:32.780 --> 00:10:36.880 but you're never quite getting it. Sorry, side tangent. 00:10:39.340 --> 00:10:46.480 Now, let's talk about the part of this that actually makes me a little bit fidgety. 00:10:47.560 --> 00:10:56.120 There was a format out there called MQA. Stood for Master Quality Authenticated. Sounds fancy, 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:03.320 right? Tidal built its entire premium tier around it, branded it as Masters. 00:11:04.280 --> 00:11:09.640 And the pitch was, this isn't just high quality, it's verified. 00:11:11.640 --> 00:11:22.160 There was a literal light on some hardware that would light up to confirm you were hearing the 00:11:22.160 --> 00:11:29.340 real Studio Master. Guaranteed. Made you feel special. 00:11:31.060 --> 00:11:37.220 But an independent researcher actually tested that claim and a good thing they did because, 00:11:38.060 --> 00:11:43.260 well, when they ran real signals through it, checked what came out on the other end and what 00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:50.880 he found was that a lot of what got sold under that quote, unquote, Masters badge. 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:58.580 Supposedly straight from the real Studio Masters looked a lot more like a regular file that had 00:11:58.580 --> 00:12:04.460 been dressed up and stamped with the same authenticity seal as the genuine thing. 00:12:05.460 --> 00:12:20.860 The process itself was adding noise into the audio, not even removing it. It was actually 00:12:20.860 --> 00:12:28.040 a good chunk of this. I mean, as they probably would. I mean, it's making them look bad. 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:37.680 And they said that they never used the word lossless in the strict, you know, technical sense. 00:12:38.060 --> 00:12:44.980 So I'm not going to stand here and call it a closed case, but here's what happened next. 00:12:44.980 --> 00:12:53.160 And nobody disputes this part of it. The company went into administration, 00:12:54.160 --> 00:13:01.720 bankruptcy, whatever. In the following year, title quietly pulled every piece of MQA content off 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:08.740 of its platform and moved back to plain old flak. I say plain old flak. Flak is still, 00:13:08.740 --> 00:13:18.840 to me, the gold standard, but you know, when the format collapses in the company that built its whole 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:26.460 premium identity around it, deletes it a year later, you know, the market sort of rendered its 00:13:26.460 --> 00:13:31.380 own verdict. I don't need a lab coat to figure that one out. 00:13:35.910 --> 00:13:43.410 So when do you actually get the real thing? I know it kind of seems a little depressing 00:13:43.410 --> 00:13:50.390 up till now, right? But let's talk about it. A bit perfect, you know, right cable, 00:13:50.790 --> 00:13:55.830 no compression anywhere in the chain. Does it even sound better? 00:13:57.730 --> 00:14:06.610 Well, honestly, the science is still kind of split, which I respect because it means nobody's 00:14:06.610 --> 00:14:13.910 trying to sell you a clean answer. There's an old, well-known study where researchers 00:14:13.910 --> 00:14:20.930 ran blind listening tests for over a year on serious equipment using, you know, 00:14:20.930 --> 00:14:26.070 actual audio engineers and self-described audio files as test subjects. 00:14:26.910 --> 00:14:33.610 Quietly slipping a CD quality bottleneck into an otherwise high res playback chain. 00:14:34.470 --> 00:14:45.890 You know what? Nobody could reliably tell the difference. Not one person did better 00:14:46.610 --> 00:14:56.250 than a simple old coin flip. A newer, much bigger review pulled together close to 20 00:14:57.650 --> 00:15:06.270 separate studies and thousands of individual listening trials. 00:15:08.170 --> 00:15:18.570 And that one did find real measurable ability to tell high res apart from the regular audio. 00:15:19.330 --> 00:15:27.210 But even in that one study that found a genuine effect, trained listeners, people who 00:15:27.870 --> 00:15:31.790 specifically practiced this skill, knew what they were listening for, 00:15:32.510 --> 00:15:38.810 were only getting it right a little better than a coin flip. 50-50. 00:15:40.650 --> 00:15:45.970 That's the winning result. Barely better than a coin flip. 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:54.030 Public blind tests go even further. One well-known public test had regular people 00:15:54.750 --> 00:16:02.870 try to pick the true lossless track out of a lineup and the results landed right around 00:16:04.430 --> 00:16:09.970 basically random guessing. On one track, more people actually preferred the compressed version 00:16:09.970 --> 00:16:17.710 over the lossless one. So, you know, real differences probably exist in a quiet room on 00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:25.850 really good expensive gear with really trained practice deers on the right kind of recording. 00:16:26.450 --> 00:16:35.270 They're probably small. They're very, very conditional. For how most of us actually listen 00:16:35.270 --> 00:16:41.650 on a bus, in a car, walking the dog, background noise everywhere, 00:16:41.650 --> 00:16:46.530 where you're really not going to tell the difference. 00:16:49.930 --> 00:16:56.190 And here's the stat that, you know, sold me on the whole theory. 00:16:57.410 --> 00:17:06.310 The one major streaming service that still offers no, absolutely no lossless options 00:17:06.310 --> 00:17:12.970 of any kind has also been the fastest growing paid service in the country for 00:17:13.670 --> 00:17:20.570 the last few years running. Not close either. People are picking a service with no lossless 00:17:20.570 --> 00:17:26.850 tier at all over the ones that do have it. In huge, huge numbers. 00:17:28.450 --> 00:17:33.270 Meanwhile, you've got surveys where most people say they'd happily pay more for 00:17:33.270 --> 00:17:41.150 higher quality audio, which tells you people are pretty good at describing what they think they want 00:17:41.670 --> 00:17:46.270 and not that great at actually acting on it once it's sitting right in front of them. 00:17:49.230 --> 00:17:55.350 And that service that has no lossless audio whatsoever, that's YouTube music. 00:17:56.510 --> 00:18:06.010 Now, you know, with YouTube, that's kind of a mixed stat, because yes, it is the fastest growing, 00:18:06.750 --> 00:18:12.890 but YouTube premium subscribers do get access to YouTube music, so the numbers might be a little muddy there. 00:18:19.630 --> 00:18:26.090 Okay, so a couple of things I want to walk you, I want you to walk away with. 00:18:28.230 --> 00:18:33.290 One, lossless streaming became the free standard no extra charge default everywhere. 00:18:33.930 --> 00:18:38.730 Well, I mean, that's a really good thing. There's no downsides to that. I'll take it 00:18:38.730 --> 00:18:43.490 happily. If you've got the gear that supports it, great, you've got the option to hear it. 00:18:44.510 --> 00:18:50.790 Now, another one, if you're, you know, if you're on wireless earbuds, especially AirPods, 00:18:51.230 --> 00:18:57.190 that badge is just a decorative thing on that app. It's describing the file, but not the sound 00:18:57.190 --> 00:19:03.730 you're actually hearing. If you ever actually want what, you know, these companies are 00:19:03.730 --> 00:19:12.910 promising you need a wire or a very specific, you know, matched hardware that most people don't have 00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:22.610 and probably won't ever bother getting. And one more, even when you do get the real thing, 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:29.070 the honest research says most of us can't reliably hear the difference anyways, 00:19:29.070 --> 00:19:36.910 which doesn't make any of this really a scam. You know, exactly. It just means that the marketing is 00:19:36.910 --> 00:19:45.850 selling a much bigger, it's making it a much bigger deal than it really is. Or your ears can hear, 00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:55.990 you know, any of this can actually back up. That's kind of the whole show in a nut show, 00:19:55.990 --> 00:20:03.350 isn't it? Something gets built well, quietly, correctly, and then it gets sold to you with a lot 00:20:03.350 --> 00:20:12.410 more confidence than the truth can support. That's the episode. If you want to keep up with it, 00:20:12.770 --> 00:20:16.450 subscribe wherever you're listening. And if you're, you know, if you've got a second, 00:20:17.050 --> 00:20:21.630 you're looking for something to do, you got a free moment, drop a five star rating. 00:20:23.570 --> 00:20:29.370 If you, if you would rather just talk to me, you can leave a voicemail. I've got an 00:20:29.370 --> 00:20:39.210 actual phone number set up for that now, 608-668-4702. Again, 608-668-4702. 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